Good stuff in this interview of McLaren by the Charlotte, NC newspaper. The following piece of the interview makes a powerful point, and I’m marking it because I rarely have a reference point on this topic:
Q. Today, many evangelicals are fascinated with the end of the world. There’s the popularity of the “Left Behind” books. And talk about the Rapture. Their belief is: Things will get worse, we will have world crises. They say that’s part of God’s plan, to have Armageddon. Is that biblical or is that thinking part of the problem, in your opinion?
A: I write a good bit about this in the book. And on the tour, one of my talks will be devoted to this subject. I think this is an incredibly important subject.
What a lot of well-meaning, committed evangelical Christians don’t realize is that the view of the end-times that they believe is biblical and the historic Christian view is actually a newcomer and an anomaly in Christian history. That view of the end-times was never, ever thought of in Christian history until the 1830s. Now, that doesn’t make it wrong. But it does make it suspect.
Whoa - I just googled “the rapture” 1830s. Lots of stuff, including lots of bright colored pages, emphatic use of ALL CAPS, and folks I’ve never heard of. Here’s one of the more (seemingly) reputable: Reformed Library Online, wherein the writer notes the following:
Whenever a Christian encounters a doctrine that has not been taught by anyone in any branch of Christ’s church for over eighteen centuries, one should be very suspect of that teaching. This fact in and of itself does not prove that the new teaching is false. But, it should definitely raise one’s suspicions, for if something is taught in Scripture, it is not unreasonable to expect at least a few theologians and exegetes to have discovered it before. The teaching of a secret pretribulation rapture is a doctrine that never existed before 1830.
Nearly all the sources I read point to some dude named Rev. Darby who pushed the concept of the Rapture in the 1830s, and then this concept exploded in the early 1900s with the publication of the Scofield Reference Bible.
This topic interests me because I grew up in a church that had a lot of folks who believed dispensationalism, pre-trib rapture, and assorted other stuff. It was hard to turn away from that type of belief, because there is a lot of fear in the position and you can think something bad will happen to you if you quit believing that doctrine. But that was years ago when I struggled with that issue, and I don’t believe in pre-trib rapture anymore. (One thing I like about McLaren is that he grew up in a really conservative church, too, so he’s very familiar with - and addresses in his writings - doctrines and worldviews that I grew up with.) Most days I’m pan-trib (it will all pan out in the end), but frankly it’s not something I think about very much. I’m with McLaren, thinking lots about the fact that Jesus did a lot of stuff for people in his time on earth, and wondering what a similar posture looks like for Christians today. I believe in heaven and hell, and that salvation comes through Jesus Christ, and so I’m always trying to put together my beliefs about eternal destiny with what Jesus actually did with his life. His big fights with the Pharisees and others were about how they lived in the here and now. Whenever I come across preachers or churches that exhibit a heavy emphasis on New Testament letters but not on the Gospels (nor The Prophets), I proceed with caution. In fact, if you are not washing your mind, your heart, and your actions through the words of Jesus - the red letters in some Bibles, or even just focusing on the Sermon on the Mount (for starters) - then it’s easy to get off point in your Christian walk and begin believing all sorts of unique things. You might even believe it’s OK to be unconcerned and inactive regarding the poor. (Message: Go read the words of Jesus in Matthew, 25th chapter, verses 31-46 for a taste of what I mean.) Ultimately, if you get away from Jesus himself, you’ll find yourself lobbing it in - thinking about Christianity and stating positions, but not actually loving “the least of these” or responding to human misery in a personal way, with a personal touch, like Jesus did.
Ok! Not sure what all that’s about. Not sure why I woke up early today. I’m guessing my own snoring woke me up. It’s about 6:10 p.m. I’ll go put on the pot of coffee and also put on my Morning Game Face. I’ve found that if I treat the morning Carrasco Family Routine like it’s a high school basketball playoff game - lots of energy, adoring fans (Sam, Micah, Gabrielle), a cute cheerleader (Kafi) - then the wakeup, get dressed, eatyourbreakfast, brushyourfacewashyourteeth, getyoursnack routine goes well and ends on time.